Ah, the Patakis. They’re such a complicated family… so complicated that Craig Bartlett wanted to do a spinoff starring just them! In his spinoff “The Patakis”, Helga would have been 15, where episodes would center around the individual family members and the family as a whole. Sadly, this spinoff did not get picked up, so we’ll never know what “The Patakis” truly could’ve been. However, like “The Jungle Movie”, Craig Bartlett has managed to spill some of the beans on it in his chats/interviews with the fans.
Like with last week’s post (Confirmed Notes About “The Jungle Movie”), the following will be a series of Q&A between the fans and Bartlett, organized in several categories. Some questions are repeated as they fit in more than one category. I have left the Q&A’s in their original wording to avoid misinterpretating Bartlett’s responses. They have only been slighty edited in terms of typos, mechanics, ect. If you see any additional Q&A’s that should be added, please let me know. 😀
So enjoy reading about “The Patakis”!
GENERAL PLOTLINE/QUESTIONS
Question (Before Hey Arnold! The Movie)
[What are you working on now?]
Craig Bartlett
[One] thing I’m working on right now [is] a spinoff called “The Patakis” about Helga and her family, and Helga’s 15 years old. It would be an original show for Nick at Nite!
Question
Will The Patakis tell us more about the lives of Olga, Bob and Miriam?
Craig Bartlett
The Patakis is all about the family so we’ll have episodes with all four characters stories and go into individual stuff.
Question
What I’d like to know is, where do you come up with the character names? For example, does “Pataki” come from: the governor of New York, the voice of George on “Ren & Stimpy”, or is it just a good-sounding name?
Craig Bartlett
Governor Pataki? We like Pataki, it sounds funny. And Helga is, you know, “hellish”. At least she started out that way. The rest of them are really kinda Seattle names. And you know we use the Ikea catalog for obscure names like torvald. It’s a couch or something.
Question
‘Chest of drawers’ in the interview.
Craig Bartlett
Okay, chest of drawers.
Question
[What’s the deal with The Patakis?]
Craig Bartlett
Here is the deal with The Patakis. Nick has ordered a script a half hour script more structured like The Simpsons: three acts, half hour. If they like the script they order the episode or if they were really cool, they’d order a series.
Question
What is that [The Patakis] about and what ever happened to it?
Craig Bartlett
I wrote a pilot script with Michelle. Nick at Nite was the place where they thought they would show it. I’m afraid it was too… dark for them. They passed after a year. Oh, Helga was 15. Arnold had moved away but she still was culty about him. Wrote a letter to him every night, but never mailed them.
Question
So, at that point had she confessed to him?
Craig Bartlett
Yeah, I imagine they were a “couple” and had some stormy times. They both can be difficult. We had lots of ideas for Bob, Miriam, and Olga. Olga moved back home, was pursuing an acting career. Yeah, in The Patakis, she’s [Miriam] twelve-stepping. Not exactly Nick at Nite material.
Question
If “The Patakis” [were to be] made, what would be your plan for all the characters?
Craig Bartlett
All the kids would be in it, but Arnold moved away. I had to clear him out of the action, so it could feature the Patakis. It was making Helga clearly the star and not the costar. I concentrated on Helga and her family. I really love Olga though some don’t, and wanted to move her back into the house after college. She was an aspiring actress and Helga the budding writer. Bob more like Tony Soprano and Miriam in 12 step, working at a TV station. I guess beyond that, just everyone else as a teenager. Arnold featured only far away, because Helga writes to him every episode and then puts the letters away, doesn’t mail them, keeps them in binders, very organized like her shrines. The other kids would be fun, I can’t remember what I was going to do, just show them all as awkward teens. Sid and Stinky, Gerald, Phoebe would of course be important. Phoebe and Gerald would be a cool couple, not dysfunctional like Helga and Arnold.
HELGA
Question
[Two questions:] In The Pataki’s, is Olga now living at home again? And secondly, will Franny still be the voice of Helga?
Craig Bartlett
Yes, Olga comes home from Bennington, moves back in, and one of the main reasons for growing helga up to fifteen is so we can work with Franny!
Question
Does she [Olga] still drive Helga up the wall?
Craig Bartlett
You bet! Franny just turned fifteen. Life imitates art. Franny started with me at nine, auditioned when she was eight.
Question
Will Helga be a little bit depressed in The Patakis?
Craig Bartlett
She’s still the underdog. She’s still pretty grumpy. She needs to be the underdog so we’ll love her. Not exactly depressed, just pissed off.
Question
Will Olga get a job teaching at Helga’s school?
Craig Bartlett
She’s decided to become an actress. A good move, since she’s already an award winning over-reactress. Helga is more of an artist, writer-photographer-painter. Olga’s always auditioning for plays off-off-off-off-off broadway. Helga still thinks she’s an annoying dork.
Question (for the regular series)
Why does Helga feel she has to cover up her feelings for Arnold by being mean to him?
Craig Bartlett
That’s Helga’s deal: she’s acting out her anger. Her home life sucks. Bob and Miriam ignore her. Compared to Olga, she feels like some kind of graceless little ugly duckling. So she’s developed this tough, brittle exterior as the meanest, most cynical kid in the fourth grade. How could she love Arnold, the nicest guy in school? It’s her secret: she’s got a soft, gooey, poetic, romantic interior. You’d think that a kid as smart and self-aware as Helga would realize that she should just tell Arnold and deal with it, but she still believes that if her secret got out, she’d die of embarrassment. But let’s give the girl a break: she’s nine. She’ll learn someday (but not yet).
Question
What does the G. stand for in Helga’s name?
Craig Bartlett
Geraldine! After our Nick founder Gerry Laybourne. I love Gerry!
Quesiton
Who was your inspiration for Helga?
Craig Bartlett
Well, she’s all the girls I loved and didn’t love me back and vice versa, and the name is sort of “Hell girl”. The ones who strangled me in the playground, had strong personalities, and secret other lives.
Question
What the heck does Madam Fortress Mommy mean?
Craig Bartlett
Justin Shenkarow actually made that up on the spot once. He is a very talented and funny guy. We played it back, said, “What the hell did you just say?” Justin’s all, “I dunno.” No meaning whatsoever. We started writing it into all his scripts, and Justin couldn’t even remember saying it.
Question
[Did] Helga inherit her bad attitude from Bob?
Craig Bartlett
You mean why she’s so mean to Arnold? It’s just an act.
Question
Helga is more like Big Bob than either cares to admit.
Craig Bartlett
Yeah, she’s a Pataki, through and through
Question
When is Helga’s birthday? Is it at March 25?
Craig Bartlett
I don’t really know. Maybe Franny’s birthday.
Question (to Francesca Marie Smith)
Franny, can you still make the voice of Helga or is your voice way too different now?
Craig Bartlett
Franny will ALWAYS voice Helga, even when she’s ninety. A ninety year old Helga: scary
Francesca Marie Smith
The cool thing about Helga, in my opinion (and I do hope Craig doesn’t disagree), is that she really does have my voice. So, even though she grew up a little as the show progressed, and her style of speech may have changed, I don’t think it was really awkward…my voice never changed into a non-Helga voice…at least I don’t think it did.
Craig Bartlett
Especially when you yell!
Question
[Helga’s] life is so complicated. When you first created her character, had you planned on it being that way?
Craig Bartlett
Helga: we wanted her to be complicated and crazy and talented and funny and mean from the very start. She did grow though. I credit Franny for adding so much subtext, and always being up to our challenges as an actor.
HELGA’S APPEARANCE
Question
Will Helga get rid of those pigtails?
Craig Bartlett
No, she keeps them stubbornly.
Question
How will the 15 year old helga LOOK different than the nine year old helga
Craig Bartlett
Helga is taller, skinnier…
Question
Skinnier? She’d have to be anorexic.
Craig Bartlett
Not quite anorexic
Question
Does she keep her bow?
Craig Bartlett
She keeps her bow, but hides it under a cap.
Question
Hides her bow? How sad.
Craig Bartlett
She’ll never get rid of the bow, but her feelings for Arnold are even more underground now.
Question
A little blue cap, perchance? Could it be Arnold’s cap? Like exchanging rings or jackets?
Craig Bartlett
No, Arnold keeps his cap. I should say hat.
Question
How does Helga look? Like Cecile?
Craig Bartlett
She’s taller, skinnier, gettin boobs…
Question
Does she still have the one eyebrow?
Craig Bartlett
…but she hates growing up and being a teen. She still has the monobrow. An awkward teen proud of her awkwardness.
Question
Does Arnold keep his hat in The Patakis?
Craig Bartlett
Yes. He’ll never lose it. Helga never loses her bow, she hides it under a cap though. The reveal will be funny.
Question
Why does Helga only have one eyebrow?
Craig Bartlett
You’ll notice that several characters have the same “monobrow.” I just think it’s funny. And it makes her look mean.
Question
How does Helga look like when she’s 15? Does she still have the pigtails? Does she still wear her pink bow and pink dress? Did she get rid of her unibrow?
Craig Bartlett
She dressed more tough — wore a grungy cap over her bow. Same monobrow.
BIG BOB AND MIRIAM
Question
Do Helga’s parents care about anything?
Craig Bartlett
You bet! Big Bob cares about winning, selling tons of beepers, getting rich, football, golf, alien abduction conspiracies, his Lincoln, his Humvee, and Olga’s collection of awards. Miriam tries not to care about anything — she’s unrealized potential personified. Miriam’s got an interesting past, but doesn’t see anything particularly interesting in her future. Bob’s such a blowhard, Miriam has lost the will to assert herself. Don’t count her out, though. Miriam has a few tricks up her sleeve.
Question
Will there be any Big Bob or Miriam eps?
Craig Bartlett
You bet. It’s the Patakis after all.
Question
Why does Big Bob forget about Helga and think only about Olga and his beeper company?
Craig Bartlett
Poor Helga is the passed-over kid. I’m not sure why her parents mostly ignore her. Helga is cool! Well, at least WE know she is.
Question
Does Miriam drink because of Bob’s verbal abuse?
Craig Bartlett
Miriam, she drinks because Bob keeps her down. She is unfulfilled potential personified. Remember she could ride? And probably write and dance, and sing…
Question
Not to mention she was a successful business women for one episode
Craig Bartlett
Right. She COULD do anything. It’s fun to have depressed characters, because once in a while they break out and BOOM!
Question
I liked how Miriam always seemed like she was on some kind of drug.
Craig Bartlett
Yeah, she was maybe taking prescription stuff. She wouldn’t tell me. Or I forgot to ask.
OLGA
Question
Do you have any plans where Olga loses favor with her parents?
Craig Bartlett
What a good question… our Patakis pilot involves that.
Question
For the spinoff?
Craig Bartlett
Yes, a spinoff. We’re good to write it. Helga is fifteen, Olga is back home from Bennington and wants to pursue a career as an actress.
Question
[Two questions:] In The Pataki’s, is Olga now living at home again? And secondly, will Franny still be the voice of Helga?
Craig Bartlett
Yes, Olga comes home from Bennington, moves back in, and one of the main reasons for growing helga up to fifteen is so we can work with Franny!
Question
Does she [Olga] still drive Helga up the wall?
Craig Bartlett
You bet! Franny just turned fifteen. Life imitates art. Franny started with me at nine, auditioned when she was eight.
Question
Will Olga get a job teaching at Helga’s school?
Craig Bartlett
She’s decided to become an actress. A good move, since she’s already an award winning over-reactress. Helga is more of an artist, writer-photographer-painter. Olga’s always auditioning for plays off-off-off-off-off broadway. Helga still thinks she’s an annoying dork.
Question
Does she keep straight A’s throughout college?
Craig Bartlett
Yes, she’s like a machine.
ARNOLD (AND ARNOLD X HELGA)
Question
Where’s Arnold in the spinoff?
Craig Bartlett
He’s … MOVED AWAY! Okay, calm down, he’s still her true love. A lot of stuff happens before The Patakis starts between Arnold and Helga. They are meant for each other, you know, duh (I mean doi). They will get together, but I want Helga to have her own show in the meantime, ya know? Arnold is Arnold and how could it be The Patakis unless he’s out of the way for a while.
Question
Will Arnold and Helga be together in The Patakis?
Craig Bartlett
As I said earlier, he’s moved away but Helga still loves him. I’ve got this idea: she writes to him at the start of each episode: Dear Arnold… And he’s still her “higher power” but she is not with him even though she loves him. I have an idea for an episode where Helga runs away to find Arnold
Question
Does this mean the entire boardinghouse crew has moved as well?
Craig Bartlett
A cool thing for a fifteen year old. Good question, we’ll see.
Question
Will she actually send the letters to Arnold? Or will they just gather in her drawer?
Craig Bartlett
She writes the letters, then at the end of the show, mails it, then takes it out of the mail and files it away…
Question
Why?
Craig Bartlett
… in a binder because Helga is very complicated
Question
So the main thing here will be for her to finally mail a letter?
Craig Bartlett
Volume 1000. Maybe
Question
You mean she doesn’t actually send them? What??
Craig Bartlett
She and Arnold are in a difficult stage at fifteen. Who knows what happened in the intervening years
Question
Where’s he going anyway? Will they be… friends?
Craig Bartlett
I havent decided yet. Mostly it’s about getting him out of the picture so The Patakis can be about the Patakis. Write to Nick and ask for it.
Question
In “The Pataki’s” will Arnold ever come back and visit?
Craig Bartlett
I want to do an episode where Helga runs away to find Arnold. Sounds like a cool fifteen year old plotline. I mean one episode, not a series. She’s going through some changes.
Question
Does she find him when she runs away?
Craig Bartlett
I haven’t written it!
Question
Does Arnold get over Lila?
Craig Bartlett
He really does, I promise. We have milked that one to the teeth. She and Arnold are done by episode 100.
Question
Does Arnold keep his hat in The Patakis?
Craig Bartlett
Yes. He’ll never lose it. Helga never loses her bow, she hides it under a cap though. The reveal will be funny.
Question
What is that [The Patakis] about and what ever happened to it?
Craig Bartlett
I wrote a pilot script with Michelle. Nick at Nite was the place where they thought they would show it. I’m afraid it was too… dark for them. They passed after a year. Oh, Helga was 15. Arnold had moved away but she still was culty about him. Wrote a letter to him every night, but never mailed them.
Question
So, at that point had she confessed to him?
Craig Bartlett
Yeah, I imagine they were a “couple” and had some stormy times. They both can be difficult. We had lots of ideas for Bob, Miriam, and Olga. Olga moved back home, was pursuing an acting career. Yeah, in The Patakis, she’s [Miriam] twelve-stepping. Not exactly Nick at Nite material.
Question
Does Helga read Arnold’s letters (if he even sends her any?)
Craig Bartlett
In The Patakis we hear her read them aloud in her head as she writes them.
Question
Does the series also show what Arnold looks like at 15? If so, does he look the same, only taller? Did his hairstyle change in any way?
Craig Bartlett
We never got to that. All we had decided was that he’d moved away.
Question
How old was Helga when Arnold moved away?
Craig Bartlett
They’re fifteen in the show, and we hadn’t decided yet when he moved. Recently, I suppose…
Question
Are Helga and Arnold a couple in the series?
Craig Bartlett
Nope, they’re broken up.
Question
Does Arnold writes letters to Helga, and if so, does she reads them?
Craig Bartlett
I think it would be poignant if he wrote, and thought that she had forgotten him, and she wrote every stinkin’ day but didn’t send them. So tragic. So angsty. Helga will never be Olga, though.
Question
Right before “The Patakis” start, did Helga and Arnold break up just because it was ‘a long distance relationship’, or was it due to their ‘personality problems’ fitting together, etc?
Craig Bartlett
A lot of years pass between Hey Arnold! and The Patakis, so they could have been broken up for years. We never really decided. That development got cut off pretty early, we only wrote a pilot and did some designs.
OTHER CHARACTERS
Question
Yeah. Are any of the other kids still there?
Craig Bartlett
It’s still Arnold’s city. Sure, anyone you know and love.
Question
So, all the kids, not just Helga, are gonna be in The Patakis?
Craig Bartlett
Right
Question
Are you going to make a Pheobe/Gerald ep?
Craig Bartlett
No Phoebe/Gerald episode yet. It’s more fun to keep their relationship in the background [and have] Phoebe and Gerald share meaningful glances. Y’know maybe as older kids in The Patakis.
Question
Will it have a mostly new cast of characters or a mix of new and the old?
Craig Bartlett
Right, some new, many old. Dr. Bliss, Nick Vermicelli, Phoebe, the gang.
Question
Did you plan to include Brainy in the Patakis; did he still stalk Helga and get punched for that?
Craig Bartlett
Yeah, if I did The Patakis, I’d have everyone there.
Question
Even Lila?
Craig Bartlett
Yeah, can’t resist. It’s fun to see them all as teenagers, except not “all growed up.” Y’knowwhatImean? These teens would be evil and dark and stuff.
Question
[What is Lila’s future like?]
Craig Bartlett
Lila I think probably stops being the bane of Helga’s existence. If Arnold moves away, then Lila and Helga could even be friends.I like their little understnding in “School Play” but Lila kind of messed with Helga’s head some more after that, and I think that’s why fans hated her. We made her kind of a monster in the end. It was for laughs, but I really like Lila and think we should give her a break, they’d be funny together. Yes, Lila was actually a lovely person. The actor who played her was the sweetest kid.
Question
1) How’d you react when you first found out that Nick actually released seasons 1 and 2 on DVD?
2) If The Patakis ever happened, would you have added one or more NEW characters to the show?
Craig Bartlett
I was glad to learn that Arnold was on DVD, because I want fans to have pristine copies of the shows. And the second question: I’m sure we would have added tons of new characters. A high school, after all, a whole new setting. Yeah, don’t be mad at Nick, buy the DVDs.
April 4, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Thanks again for the great work! I’m gonna reorganize it into an article too.
To tell the truth I’m not sure if I want to watch The Patakis. I mean. I mean, I like The Simpsons, Daria, South Park, but I somehow feel that bring up “adult themes” in Hey Arnold just would not be right. I like Hey Arnold! as it is — wise and innocent.
Can anybody remind me what “The Patakis”-based fanfics exist?
April 4, 2009 at 10:54 pm
I think this is the place you’re looking for hellerick: http://thepatakis.0catch.com/index.html
I don’t think it would have worked. In Hey Arnold! the kids all pretty much act like teenagers already, so The Patakis would have just been Hey Arnold! minus Arnold to me
April 4, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Thanks for the link, it was an interesting project.
Actually I meant fanfics on FFN, or something.
April 4, 2009 at 11:25 pm
Nope. There are “Real” The Patakis fanfics. Their features: Arnold is in San Lorenzo, Helga writes him, she hides her bow under a hat, etc. When an author intends their fanfics to be “The Patakis” it’s clearly seen.
On the other hand we hand we have very interesting fanfics like “Hungry Hearts by Kaydance — it starts as canonical The Patakis fanfic and then turns in very surprising direction.
April 5, 2009 at 10:47 am
Here’s some pics of what Helga would’ve looked like in The Patakis, Tendra. 🙂 :
April 6, 2009 at 2:41 am
Thanks Justine. 🙂
I wonder where the first picture is from.
BTW, it’s interesting that Craig Bartlett never mentioned where exactly Arnold moved away. Everyone presumes it’s San Lorenzo, but maybe they moved to Casa Paradiso, or something?
April 6, 2009 at 9:33 am
What about this one? Is not she cool?
http://unluckystunt.deviantart.com/art/Hey-Arnold-teen-Helga-sketch-56798089
Anyway, here is my article about The Patakis:
http://heyarnold.wikia.com/wiki/The_Patakis
Check it please.
April 6, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Once again, thank you very much for posting these! ❤
I read somewhere that it was a little bit too much like Daria and that’s why it was turned down. I don’t know how popular Daria was in the US, but in Mexico it was a hit! Most of my classmates grew up watching Hey Arnold, and then moved on to Daria…
ANYWAY
…
I WANT MY PATAKIS!!! ; ^;
April 8, 2009 at 9:57 am
I love Daria!! Yeah…apparently MTV dropped The Patakis because it was too much like Daria….which is not exactly true.
Thanks for compiling this!!
July 28, 2011 at 8:54 pm
I agree that Hey Arnold characters should remain “wise and innocent.” However, as a total romantic, I want to see where things go with Arnold and Helga. Can anybody clear something up for me? In the Craig interview on “The Patakis” under “Arnold x Helga” first he says that while Arnold has moved away, they are meant for each other. But later he says they are broken up even though Helga still loves him. Does anyone know if he means that Arnold and Helga will eventually end up together permanently? It would just be so WRONG if they didn’t! I’d appreciate any clarification! Tendra? Anyone?
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May 8, 2012 at 9:12 pm
i have one thing to say to this project thank God you’re not going to do it. I DONT’ WANT arnold and helga to break up! Or for Arnold to move away they are meant for each other. i will never ever neither will anyone else watch a show where arnold’s not in it and they’ve broke up. You’ve lost your mind if you want to pursue this. Thank god nick has sense of not airing this. its trash.
January 13, 2013 at 10:42 pm
I’m trying to write an article regarding The Patakis. My editors will not accept any wordpress.com sites as source material because it is not cited material. Is there any sources for these interviews I can use for reference? Any help would be appreciated.
January 14, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Hi Mbkerr,
The HA! Wiki seems to have an archive of all original interviews and their transcripts here: http://heyarnold.wikia.com/wiki/Chats_and_interviews_with_Craig_Bartlett
The difficult part will be reading through the transcripts to see which interview had which piece of information though. Best of luck for your article! Feel free to post a link to your article when you are done with it, as I would love to read it.
Best regards,
Tendra
January 14, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Thanks. They probably won’t accept wiki links either, since they are easily edited by anyone without source. I do have two good sources regarding the Patakis in an audio and video interview he gave, but there were a few pieces of information left I needed verifying.
If the article does come to fruition, I will make sure to provide a link. Thanks again.
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